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Is NationStates the Next Horizon?

Club Penguin is closing in a few weeks. It is a sad, sad day for Armies. Not only have we lost our platform, but we have lost our childhood game. Nostalgia is said to be the greatest sadness, because it cannot be appeased. Look at the bright side, though. Think of it as a sort of omen that Club Penguin shut down so recently after I wrote my article trying to convince the Army Community to move to NationStates. In some ways, the shutdown is a good thing, because now everyone, including the people with conservative attitudes, are facing a life or death situation. We have to move, or we have to die. What will it be?

Previous Reading (Read in this order):

https://cparmycentral.com/2017/03/08/the-ragnarok-of-armies/

https://cparmycentral.com/2017/03/08/does-leaving-the-club-penguin-sphere-ruin-armies/

Many have brought up the idea of a move to the Club Penguin Private Servers, which is an idea lacking in imagination and acumen. Moving to Club Penguin Private Servers would not get rid of many problems or issues facing the community at all. If anything, they would make many larger, greater, and stronger, such as the multilogging issue. Some would say that there is no more progress, advancement, or development to be made. This dogma is misleading and very wrong, because NationStates solves and eradicates pretty much all the problems and issues we face in the Army Community in the present time, including the worst and most pressing of them all: the inevitable apocalypse of the Club Penguin platform.

As feedback to one of the previous articles in this series, Beeky128778 stated:

If your veterinarian recommended euthanizing your animal as opposed to forcing it to live in spite of its suffering, your response probably would not be in favor of letting its life continue.

This is a blatantly absurd analogy lacking in good sense. The move to NationStates would be like providing a means of healing your greatly loved pet and restoring it to health. The move would solve and eradicate our problems and issues. The move would set into motion the new Golden Age of the Club Penguin Army Community. It is understandable to shed your tears over the closure of Club Penguin. It is illogical to shed your tears over the end of our community. That is something we, collectively, can put an end to. Why would we not?

I leave you with three quotes.

Every morning brings new potential, but if you dwell on the misfortunes of the day before, you tend to overlook tremendous opportunities.

-Harvey Mackay

 

Well Nachos, this is it. This is the end. I was on Club Penguin tonight and I was waddling around and thinking to myself how many good memories I had here. Not just Army battles and events and such, I mean having fun with friends. Going home everyday after school calling your friends to get on and play, it was some great times. I remember when I first learned of this online game and I decided to give it a try and fell in love with it! But alas I did not have a computer to play on so I used my friends and my families computers to play whenever I could. Then the day came when my same friend told me about this Army call the Nachos, so I went on the website and signed up, but I could not stay active so I took a few months off…until the day came when I got my very own family desktop. Then something happened on chat that, uh, let’s say…killed my family desktop, that kept me from coming on anymore. I will tell the story at my end of era post on March 28th. Club Penguin has changed a lot and not for the better but at least they kept it alive and somewhat fun. Today I will admit a little part of me died today. Club Penguin was home to us all at some point of our lives. I am just happy that former leaders and legends are coming back to share the pain/enjoyment of our final days as an official Club Penguin Army. In these next two months I want every Member, Moderator, Owner, Leader, Former Leaders, and Legends to remember the good times that we all have had on that virtual island. And to make our final months something to remember. Until my next post…

-Conno11

 

We need change. We have no reason to stay here. The game was fun before, yes, when we were children. But children no longer have fun playing this game and neither do we. While we’re all getting older and so are our troops, we deserve to switch to a more popular game for older troops and leaders. This game is meant for children but there are little to no children left here. Why would we stay? We need to rebuild from the ashes that is this community and switch to a game that is more our maturity.

Let’s look at this way. When you’re born you wear baby clothing, and as you get older you grow out of that clothing and have to get something more and new. Club Penguin is our babies clothing for this community and it’s starting to outgrow the clothing, but we’re to afraid to buy it new clothes.

This comment won’t matter, the question this post is based off of is as old as this community, “What are we going to do when we die.”. I do NOT believe that we should just leave it. Tell me this, if you saw a child on the streets crying and homeless would you walk away or would you find it a new home? You can’t look at this community like it needs to be in it’s baby clothing for it’s entire life. We are not Club Penguin Armies, we’re a family. We’re all here for the same thing, we aren’t here for Club Penguin. We’re here for the people that are here and that’s why we haven’t left yet, we don’t want to leave our friends and the people we interact with everyday. So why do people keep saying that we should let this community die. Obviously nobody wants to leave what we’ve created and there is no reason that we should have to either.

Obviously the biggest problem we’re trying to fix is looking for a game that fits all the needs we need as well as Club Penguin. But as time moves on, games are getting more intense and Club Penguin is that game that was very basic, which fitted our needs. We wanted basic, fast and easy. Games like that are running low and even better ones are coming out. That’s why we can’t keep looking for something LIKE Club Penguin. We need move on. Look for games that is fun for everybody.

Sure, leaving the past behind is something none of us want to do. Club Penguin Armies, if you want to say it or not, is one of the best things that ever happened to our lives. We come here everyday to talk to each other and we simply battle it out on a game we grew up on. Change is never easy. You fight to hold on and you fight to let go..

Club Penguin should be the first of the many games this community has gone through. It doesn’t need to be one game, we can evolve into something more. Obviously what we’ve done here isn’t going to go anywhere. It will be in our minds forever throughout our life. But I want to keep this going as much as anyone else. Club Penguin isn’t working, change games.

Summary: I’m emotional over Club Penguin because I’m a loser. We should change games, none of us want to leave this behind.

Change is hard at first, messy in the middle and gorgeous at the end.

-General Trey

 

So, what do YOU think? Is NationStates a viable way forward, or will CPPSes work out for us?

Onlooking Snow

CPA Central Reporter

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16 Responses

  1. how much did nationstates pay you to shill this hard for their game

    • I’m reposting this series after the deface. Also, they’re paying me $100,000,000,000,000,000 dollars per promotion post. I’d buy Club Penguin and cancel its shutdown with my newfound riches, but then I’d be missing out on a lot more money. 😉

      • im sure when people come back to cpac when the community is gone and they are looking for nostalgia, they are definitely going to head straight for the nationstate posts

        • The point is to prolong the community.

          • if in order to stop a serial killer from murdering his family you had to send him to jail, away from his family would you do it?

            • What’s your point?

  2. Come on now 3 posts in one day? Slow down their kiddo

    • Recovery.

  3. Hopefully by the time March 29th strolls around you will have realized that this idea never had any practical potential and that you wasted your final months trying to convince everybody else otherwise.

    • More people support the idea of moving to a different game, barring games related to Club Penguin, then you think.

  4. Personally I’m in favor of giving this community a well deserved end, and although its sad and unfortunate it was only a matter of time. All things must come to an end.

    • It doesn’t have to be now, though. If doctors thought that, no doctors would exist. If the community continues after this but you want it to end, you could just leave the community.

      • The idea of moving the community to a new platform isn’t a new idea. Its a very old idea and you’re not the first to think he has some kind of revolutionary solution to that old topic. Some people here have been tossing around this debate for a while, only to find the majority of the community isn’t in favor of it, and the few who are in favor of it all have a different game they’re lobbying for and aren’t able to come to an agreement amongst themselves.

        These are Club Penguin armies, they’re not NationState armies, they aren’t Minecraft armies, and theres a deep tie to Club Penguin. Its set deeply in the community’s history and our ways. Theres no changing that.

        What little of the community that remains active isn’t going to switch. We’ve all grown older, and we can’t keep this going much longer, we couldn’t have kept it going in the first place. Without young recruits the cycle of growth, where we passed on the torch, retired, and move on stopped a long time ago.

        While you’re lobbying this topic thinking you’re right, that you have this revolutionary idea, you’re wrong. You’ve got nothing new to bring to the table. Your argument isn’t original, and it can’t be after all, because we’ve hashed this out before. The result isn’t going to change. Hardly anyone, if anyone at all is on board with you.

        I have left this community, in fact I’ve been retired for many many years. I’ve been here for far longer than you. Its sad, I’ll admit that. I don’t want CP armies to die but its a well deserved end to a community, and I feel we should accept that and move on.

        • “These are Club Penguin armies, they’re not NationState armies, they aren’t Minecraft armies, and theres a deep tie to Club Penguin. Its set deeply in the community’s history and our ways. Theres no changing that.”

          That’s semantics. Also, Club Penguin is ending, so we need a workable alternative. NationStates would be pretty similar in many aspects.

          “What little of the community that remains active isn’t going to switch. We’ve all grown older, and we can’t keep this going much longer, we couldn’t have kept it going in the first place. Without young recruits the cycle of growth, where we passed on the torch, retired, and move on stopped a long time ago.”

          The cycle of growth would come back if we moved to NationStates.

          “While you’re lobbying this topic thinking you’re right, that you have this revolutionary idea, you’re wrong. You’ve got nothing new to bring to the table. Your argument isn’t original, and it can’t be after all, because we’ve hashed this out before. The result isn’t going to change. Hardly anyone, if anyone at all is on board with you.”

          Not all platform alternatives are created equal.

  5. The vocabulary used in these posts are absolutely astonishing, but as many others in this community, I strongly believe the meaning of your posts have no point, and the comparisons you’re making to the death of armies in the comments are absolutely silly, nasty, and most definitely irrelevant. In the two other posts, you completely contradict yourself. First of all, you cannot hack someone over Club Penguin, it is simply the most idiotic thing I’ve heard in my life. Secondly, you mentioned that hacking and cheating has plagued this community, which IS in fact true, but you forgot that people are for the most part traumatized over these people (the hackers and cheaters) and it is best that armies diminish and remain as just a memory. Thirdly, it is not my intention to insult you, but for the most part, people who come from ACP are very self centered in their opinion even though they know they are wrong, and I, who loves to scout over armies, can safely tell you that the people in this community are the most immature group of kids (children to adults) I’ve EVER seen. Continuing into whatever that game is called, will not change any aspect of our community since the source of reconstructing it is based of fuckboys and immature children. People who scramble into the “new” community and follow their example, and the story will only repeat itself, only twice or even three times as bad. And before any of you reading this start insulting me with “This dude is always writing paragraphs!” I can assure you that this is the first time I’ve ever made a comment this long on any page.

    • “The vocabulary used in these posts are absolutely astonishing…”

      I think you mean the vocabulary in these posts are unequivocally stupefying. 😉

      “…but as many others in this community, I strongly believe the meaning of your posts have no point, and the comparisons you’re making to the death of armies in the comments are absolutely silly, nasty, and most definitely irrelevant.”

      So you made an ad hominem attack and made another ad hominem attack to have a supporting argument. You attacked my posts, rather than the argument within them, and the attack was completely irrelevant to the argument I was making. We don’t even know if life has a point. Then, you state “the comparisons you’re making to the death of armies in the comments are absolutely silly, nasty, and most definitely irrelevant”. You don’t refer to any comparisons, and don’t explain why they are silly, nasty, and irrelevant. This is a form of the Ambiguity Fallacy as well.

      “In the two other posts, you completely contradict yourself. First of all, you cannot hack someone over Club Penguin, it is simply the most idiotic thing I’ve heard in my life.”

      What are you talking about? I used Command+F for both of my articles, typing in the word ‘hack’, of which the word was only mentioned in the first article. Here are all the sentences where I said this word.

      “Ways to cheat such as multilogging, hacking, defacing, and autotyping remain prevalent.”

      “If we switch to NationStates, multilogging, hacking, and defacing would be history, especially considering there are rules and strict enforcement against the equivalents.”

      As you can see, I don’t mention anything about someone hacking someone over Club Penguin. What do you even mean by that? Someone gets mad at a penguin and hacks their account? If so, that wouldn’t be ridiculous, but an example of immaturity.

      “Secondly, you mentioned that hacking and cheating has plagued this community, which IS in fact true, but you forgot that people are for the most part traumatized over these people (the hackers and cheaters) and it is best that armies diminish and remain as just a memory.”

      That’s a non-sequitur. You admit that most people don’t like the hackers and cheaters. Then, you go on to say that because of the hackers and cheaters, we should let the community die. How does this follow?: There’s hacking and cheating > People don’t like it > Kill the community. This is an unreasonable line of logic. To illustrate this, I’ll use another example using the same line of logic: There’s murdering and stealing in Country X > People don’t like it > Let’s become part of Country Y because they have lower crime rates. What?

      “Thirdly, it is not my intention to insult you, but for the most part, people who come from ACP are very self centered in their opinion even though they know they are wrong, and I, who loves to scout over armies, can safely tell you that the people in this community are the most immature group of kids (children to adults) I’ve EVER seen. Continuing into whatever that game is called, will not change any aspect of our community since the source of reconstructing it is based of fuckboys and immature children. People who scramble into the ‘new’ community and follow their example, and the story will only repeat itself, only twice or even three times as bad.”

      Pushing aside the fact that you aren’t a spokesperson for all Army members and playing devil’s advocate, you just committed the Omitted Variable Fallacy. The omitted variable is that the CP Army Community is an anarchy. I’d bet most people would act like immature children if they could get away with it. NationStates is not an anarchy, and enforces strict rules. I’d be willing to bet most people would be willing to come in line if we switched to NationStates, considering they’d be forced to leave the Army Community otherwise.

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